MIDIbox NG Release + Feedback

[novski]

Hi

while waiting for the upcoming multi display informations :thumbsup: - i made a Standard Control Surface PCB. 

I Ordered a Prototype Yesterday. It should reach me in a cuple of days.

As soon its running i will publish it here. So SmashTV can sell them... (if he want to...) 

 

Cheers!

novski

[TK.]

Excellent!!!  :rofl:

 

Meanwhile we can at least output received messages via SysEx

@Koerby: I also added the ^# label terminator

And my given example wasn't working perfectly with v1.009 - a small bar was print in addition on a label which didn't output any character - this is fixed as well in v0.010

 

Now you can write: label="^clr1^#Osc1^clr2^#Shape:^OSC_Shp"

 

MIDIbox NG V1.010
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   o SysEx: added ^cursor, ^txt and ^txt56 identifiers.
     They allow to send messages to the LCD via SysEx.
     A usage example can be found under cfg/templates/logictrl.ngc

   o Labels: ^# allows to terminate a label.
     E.g. "^label^#MyText" prints "MyText" directly after the specified ^label

 

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[ilmenator]

So I soldered my BLM 16x4 board properly and can now confirm that v1.010_pre1 works as it should - thank you very much TK! It also means that the board has become more universally useful than initially thought. Too bad I sold all my protoboards :tongue:

[folly]

Alternatively (the newbie solution - most simple wiring, no special PCBs required):

- 1 MBHP_CORE_LPC17 module

- a SD Card

- 4 MBHP_DINX4 modules

- an optional 2x20 LCD

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

thank you! Thorsen.  I read on the forum that we must not use encoder detent. why not detent? are found in commerce encoder not detent?

thank!

[Duggle]

Where did you read this? (please provide link).

[folly]

Where did you read this? (please provide link).

http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_ng_manual_hw.html     (ENCODER  SECTION)

[Koerby]

@Koerby: I also added the ^# label terminator

 

thank you Thorsten. Works perfect

 

Gruß Marcus

[V`cent]

"non-detented and various non-detented types are supported" 

Well, I'd guesstimate that it was supposed to say "detented and various non-detented types are supported" :)

[TK.]

You are (almost) right, thanks for the hint!

 

The intended statement is "non-detented and various detented types are supported" (because there is only a single non-detented type)

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Koerby]

Hello Thorsten

 

is it possible using an Button_event to increment (or decrement) some values. (1>2>3>1>2>3)

I found nothing in the manual. 

 

Gruß Marcus

[TK.]

Yes, this is possible by using a map, see also mapbtn.ngc

 

For your specific usecase try:

 

MAP1  1 2 3
EVENT_BUTTON id=  1  type=CC chn=1 cc=16  button_mode=Toggle  range=map1

 

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Nexus]

Hi Thorsten... another question:

 

Is it possible to send an additional midi event when I select a bank with a button?

 

Example:

EVENT_BUTTON id=  1  hw_id =  1  fwd_id=LED:1  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank \ button_mode=OnOnly  range=  1:1  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_BUTTON id=  2  hw_id =  2  fwd_id=LED:2  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank \ button_mode=OnOnly  range=  2:2  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_BUTTON id=  3  hw_id =  3  fwd_id=LED:3  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank \  button_mode=OnOnly  range=  3:3  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_BUTTON id=  4  hw_id =  4  fwd_id=LED:4  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank \ button_mode=OnOnly  range=  4:4  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

This works but now I want to send an additional cc=16 at chn=11 with:

range=0:0 for Button1

range=4:4 for Button2

range=8:8 for Button3

range=12:12 for Button4

 

So when select Bank1 an additional cc=16 chn=11 range=0:0 should be sent an so on...

 

I played around with the sender / receiver commands but nothing works correctly.

 

EVENT_BUTTON id=  1  hw_id =  1  fwd_id=SENDER:1  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank  button_mode=OnOnly  range=  1:1  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_SENDER id=  1              fwd_id=LED:1     fwd_to_lcd=1  type=CC    chn=11  cc=  16     range=  0:0  offset=  0   ports=1000100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Sender%3i:   %e"
  
EVENT_BUTTON id=  2  hw_id =  2  fwd_id=SENDER:2  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank  button_mode=OnOnly  range=  2:2  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_SENDER id=  2              fwd_id=LED:2     fwd_to_lcd=1  type=CC    chn=11  cc=  16     range=  4:4  offset=  0   ports=1000100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Sender%3i:   %e"

EVENT_BUTTON id=  3  hw_id =  3  fwd_id=SENDER:3  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank  button_mode=OnOnly  range=  3:3  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_SENDER id=  3              fwd_id=LED:3     fwd_to_lcd=1  type=CC    chn=11  cc=  16     range=  8:8  offset=  0   ports=1000100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Sender%3i:   %e"

EVENT_BUTTON id=  4  hw_id =  4  fwd_id=SENDER:4  fwd_to_lcd=1  type=Meta  meta=SetBank  button_mode=OnOnly  range=  4:4  lcd_pos=1:17:1 label="Bnk%d" radio_group=1

EVENT_SENDER id=  4              fwd_id=LED:4     fwd_to_lcd=1  type=CC    chn=11  cc=  16     range=  12:12 offset= 0   ports=1000100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Sender%3i:   %e" 

This selects the banks correctly but not the LEDs and sends multiple times the cc=16 / chn=11 value with the range of the bank instead of the defined ranges...

 

Maybe i am thinking to complicated, but until now I found no solution.

[TK.]

An interesting usecase which I haven't considered yet.

To make it as comfortable as possible, EVENT_SENDER (and EVENT_RECEIVER) can now be assigned to a radio_group as well.
This could also be helpful for other purposes in future! :smile:

 

MIDIbox NG V1.011
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   o EVENT_SENDER and EVENT_RECEIVER can now also be assigned to a radio_group.
     This can not only be used in conjunction with BUTTON/LED radio groups, but also
     to distribute MIDI events to from receiver to multiple senders without
     forwarding chains (which then can be used for a different purpose)

   o the "sdcard_format" command allows to format the connected SD Card with FAT32
     from the MIOS Terminal

 

 

Take following test as an example configuration:

http://svnmios.midibox.org/filedetails.php?repname=svn.mios32&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fapps%2Fcontrollers%2Fmidibox_ng_v1%2Fcfg%2Ftests%2Fbnkledcc.ngc

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Nexus]

Hi Thorsten,

 

thank you for your help... it works! :phone:

 

But there is one problem left with the LEDs. To explain it I must post the code:

 

EVENT_BUTTON id=  1  hw_id =  1  fwd_id=LED:1  fwd_to_lcd=1  radio_group=1  \
                                 type=Meta  meta=SetBank button_mode=OnOnly  range=  1:1  lcd_pos=1:1:1 label="%CBank %-3q"

EVENT_BUTTON id=  2  hw_id =  2  fwd_id=LED:2  fwd_to_lcd=1  radio_group=1  \
                                 type=Meta  meta=SetBank button_mode=OnOnly  range=  2:2  lcd_pos=1:1:1 label="%CBank %-3q"

EVENT_BUTTON id=  3  hw_id =  3  fwd_id=LED:3  fwd_to_lcd=1  radio_group=1  \
                                 type=Meta  meta=SetBank button_mode=OnOnly  range=  3:3  lcd_pos=1:1:1 label="%CBank %-3q"

EVENT_BUTTON id=  4  hw_id =  4  fwd_id=LED:4  fwd_to_lcd=1  radio_group=1  \
                                 type=Meta  meta=SetBank button_mode=OnOnly  range=  4:4  lcd_pos=1:1:1 label="%CBank %-3q"


MAP1 0 0 4 8 12
EVENT_SENDER id=  1   radio_group=1  type=CC  cc=16  range=map1  chn=11   ports=1110100000001000


# Bank 1
EVENT_BUTTON id=  5  hw_id=5  bank= 1  fwd_id=LED:5    type=CC	chn= 1  cc= 21  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  1/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id=  6  hw_id=6  bank= 1  fwd_id=LED:6    type=CC	chn= 1  cc= 26  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  2/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id=  7  hw_id=7  bank= 1  fwd_id=LED:7    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range=  0:0    offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  1/1  "  radio_group=2
EVENT_BUTTON id=  8  hw_id=8  bank= 1  fwd_id=LED:8    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range=  1:1    offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  2/1  "  radio_group=2

# Bank 2
EVENT_BUTTON id=  9  hw_id=5  bank= 2  fwd_id=LED:5    type=CC	chn= 2  cc= 21  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  3/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id= 10  hw_id=6  bank= 2  fwd_id=LED:6    type=CC	chn= 2  cc= 26  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  4/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id= 11  hw_id=7  bank= 2  fwd_id=LED:7    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range=  4:4    offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  3/1  "  radio_group=3
EVENT_BUTTON id= 12  hw_id=8  bank= 2  fwd_id=LED:8    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range=  5:5    offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  4/1  "  radio_group=3

# Bank 3
EVENT_BUTTON id= 13  hw_id=5  bank= 3  fwd_id=LED:5    type=CC	chn= 3  cc= 21  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  5/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id= 14  hw_id=6  bank= 3  fwd_id=LED:6    type=CC	chn= 3  cc= 26  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  6/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id= 15  hw_id=7  bank= 3  fwd_id=LED:7    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range=  8:8    offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  5/1  "  radio_group=4
EVENT_BUTTON id= 16  hw_id=8  bank= 3  fwd_id=LED:8    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range=  9:9    offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  6/1  "  radio_group=4

# Bank 4
EVENT_BUTTON id= 17  hw_id=5  bank= 4  fwd_id=LED:5    type=CC	chn= 4  cc= 21  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  7/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id= 18  hw_id=6  bank= 4  fwd_id=LED:6    type=CC	chn= 4  cc= 26  range=  0:127  offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly	ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Play  -  Clip  8/1  "
EVENT_BUTTON id= 19  hw_id=7  bank= 4  fwd_id=LED:7    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range= 12:12   offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  7/1  "  radio_group=5
EVENT_BUTTON id= 20  hw_id=8  bank= 4  fwd_id=LED:8    type=CC  chn=11  cc= 16  range= 13:13   offset=  0  button_mode=OnOnly   ports=1110100000001000  lcd_pos=1:1:2  label="Select - Clip  8/1  "  radio_group=5

When I press one of the four bankselect-buttons the correct cc-value will be sent like it should. Perfect!

 

As you can see in the code this cc-value is equal to the value of the 3rd button in each bank (the button with hw_id=7).

When I press this button (hw_id=7) the cc-value will be sent AND the LED (LED:7) will be selected / go on (all other LEDs off) in the corresponding radiogroup.

 

But when I press one of the bankselect-buttons the LED-Status would not be changed in the corresponding radiogroup.

 

It should be like I press the button (hw_id=7) after I select the bank so the LED-Status jumps to the correct LED:7 within the radiogroup.

 

BTW: Sorry for this complicated stuff but it wold be great you could help me angain... :rolleyes:

[TK.]

Ok, I see two problems:

 

1) unrelated, but first: LED:5/6 are permanently active once BUTTON:5/6 has been pressed, because "button_mode=OnOnly" is specified.

The corresponding LED would turn off if you would use "button_mode=OnOff" (or just don't specify the button_mode

 

2) the radio grouping works correctly from my point of view.

E.g. use MBNG standalone (ensure that your DAW doesn't send feedback values), switch between the banks and select either BUTTON:7 or :8

Then switch again between the banks - you will notice that the bank will hold the selected value.

 

But if your DAW sends a feedback value, we've a conflict, because all buttons/LED EVENTs will receive the "cc=16 chn=11" value regardless of the bank selection (which is intended) - and this causes the effect, that button/LEDs of some banks will be deselected - only a single button/LED will be activated.

 

The only solution I see is to use different CCs (or channels) for the different radio groups

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Nexus]

Hi Thorsten, I think you misunderstand me a little bit ;-)

The radio grouping works correctly - I try to explain what I want to do.

Normally when I press a bankselect-button no MIDI event will be sent = nothing happens in the DAW.

But when I select a bank the DAW should "jump" to the first clip of the selected bank and the corresponding LED:7 should turn on. Currently I additionally have to press the hw_id=7 button every time I change the bank to achieve this. BTW: The DAW sends no feedback in this case.

With the sender which listens to the radio group of the bankselect-buttons these buttons now send the correct MIDI event (like hw_id=7 button was pressed) to select the first clip in the DAW when the bank is changed - perfect!

But the LED:7 will not light up as when I press the hw_id=7 button. And because of the - correct working - radio group it remembers the last state of the LED wich is not correct in most cases and therefor more confusing than useful. Only LED:7 should turn on (and the others of the radio group off) when a bank was selected. That´s the problem.

Principally when I press a bankselect-button it should additionally "press" the hw_id=7 button - but with only one button press.
Maybe it´s possible to "combine" two commands (The bankselect and the "press" on button 7) at one button?

BTW: I can not use diffrent CCs or channels, because the sender sends only one CC / channel. And I have tried it with one radio group over multiple banks wich also does not work. Also other things like a fwd_id=LED:7 ln the EVENT_SENDER line - but nothnig works.

 

I understand if you can not help me if the solution is to time consuming - but if you have an idea it would be great.

 

[Nexus]

Hi Thorsten, please ignore my last post - now it works! :rolleyes:

 

Usually MIDI events will not be forwarded in the DAW (Ableton Live) (to avoid MIDI Feddback Loops?).

 

Now I have forwarded all incomming MIDI at chn 11 back to the MIDIBox - an it works!

 

But isnt this a Feedback-Loop? I wonder how this can work. The Box receives the same event as it sends.

[TK.]

Cool! :)

 

MBNG has an integrated feedback protection. The forwarding algorithm differs between "received" and "internally generated" events.

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[Nexus]

MBNG has an integrated feedback protection.

 

That´s great!

 

Thank you for yor help, Thorsten.

[TK.]

For those who will ask for a complete documentation in future...  :shifty: 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

[rvlt]

Yes, I can support the MAX7221 - now where we've generic configuration commands, it isn't a big problem for me to change the purpose of a DOUT_MATRIX by providing additional parameters.

 

regarding the possible MAX7221 support: do you already know which port of the LPC17 you will use for this? AFAIK it needs a DATA IN, LOAD/CS and CLK (besides 5V and Gnd).

 

I'm not in a hurry, just wondering how I do the internal wiring of my controller.

 

Cheers

Lars

[TK.]

It will be connected to J19:

DATA IN to J19:SO
CLK to J19:SC
CS to J19:RC1 or RC2 (configurable)

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.

 

[rvlt]

Perfect, thanks!!

[KUI]

Hi All,

 

A little help if you can. Not being the greatest coder or even a noob. I cannot get my Software SAC to talk back to my mbng. I can move the faders in the DAW but not the other way around.

I have attached the simple file I am working with. Any thoughts or clues would be much appreciated.

 

RESET_HW


LCD "%C@(1:1:1)KUI FADER"






# on motorfader movements

EVENT_MF  id= 1   fwd_id=MF:1    type=NRPN  NRPN= 1 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 2   fwd_id=MF:2    type=NRPN  NRPN= 2 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 3   fwd_id=MF:3    type=NRPN  NRPN= 3 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 4   fwd_id=MF:4    type=NRPN  NRPN= 4 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 5   fwd_id=MF:5    type=NRPN  NRPN= 5 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 6   fwd_id=MF:6    type=NRPN  NRPN= 6 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 7   fwd_id=MF:7    type=NRPN  NRPN= 7 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 8   fwd_id=MF:8    type=NRPN  NRPN= 8 chn= 1  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 9   fwd_id=MF:9    type=NRPN  NRPN= 1 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 10  fwd_id=MF:10 type=NRPN  NRPN= 2 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 11  fwd_id=MF:11 type=NRPN  NRPN= 3 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 12  fwd_id=MF:12 type=NRPN  NRPN= 4 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 13  fwd_id=MF:13 type=NRPN  NRPN= 5 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 14  fwd_id=MF:14 type=NRPN  NRPN= 6 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 15  fwd_id=MF:15 type=NRPN  NRPN= 7 chn= 2  range=0:16383
EVENT_MF  id= 16  fwd_id=MF:16 type=NRPN  NRPN= 8 chn= 2  range=0:16383


# MF hardware (has to be configured for Motormix protocol!)

MF n=  1   enabled=1  midi_in_port=IN3   midi_out_port=OUT3  chn=1  ts_first_button_id=0 config_port=USB2
MF n=  2   enabled=1  midi_in_port=IN4   midi_out_port=OUT4  chn=2  ts_first_button_id=0 config_port=USB2
MF n=  3   enabled=0  midi_in_port=0x00  midi_out_port=0x00  chn=1  ts_first_button_id=0 config_port=0x00
MF n=  4   enabled=0  midi_in_port=0x00  midi_out_port=0x00  chn=1  ts_first_button_id=0 config_port=0x00

 

 

Thanks

 

KUI

[TK.]

Please enter "set debug on" in the MIOS Terminal.

Which messages are print out when your DAW sends NRPNs to MBNG?

 

Best Regards, Thorsten.