ah now i understand.. instead of making a lot of different variables.. you make a list of variables.. i have programmed in the past.. basic, ti-basic, html(:P), and ive had c++ and max/msp lessons on my college. the c++ lessons where tailored to audio applications, so im not that noob to programming spirit.. also im not that bad at max/msp.. but syntax and actually doing something and finishing it in c++(or c) is another ball game.. so its always fun and VERY interesting to learn this stuff.. especially when you can create your own midicontroller..(come on how cool it that.. i now have a c64 controller, one of a kind.. with working lcd, 5 very smooth working pots, and 60 odd trigger keys.. plug it into ableton and you're cooking with gas!!..) i now have so much more respect for TK (and i had a whole lot to begin with) building the programs that control the hardware that he designed.. AND building the structure behind it so i can easily program my own stuff!! WOW.. simply wow.. ill be donating soon.. ive wanted to do it for a while but now im totally convinced.. and with this seq3 and sid2 coming i think he'll need it and deserves it..