Echopraxia

Does neutrik make type B also?

I am curious how deep are your panels cut to do the lighting from behind? Is there a terminology for this type of panel marking/engraving? From what your saying, did you just get a panel cut that was black with gold text and you put a white light underneath the panel and you got light up green text? Would a particular metal work the best for light to leak through? Regards, echo

Doing sync pattern change is not a big deal but I think that the option to do it would be great. Some people prefer new patterns to start imediatly and others like it like roland tr drum machines where the pattern changes at the end of the loop. regards, echo

Ha figured it out! Options page right under the word change it was set to 16 and I set that to 256. Why would someone set this to 16? When looking at the code under global settings it is the steps per measure correct? Also what does sync pat change (on/off) do exactly? (in options) Regards, Echo

Ok I hope I am doing this right. I included only two trackinfos. Hopefully this will help show me what I am doing wrong. 00000000050397 ms | 00000000050397 ms | System Informations: 00000000050397 ms | ==================== 00000000050397 ms | MIDIbox SEQ V4.0Beta6 (C) 2009 T. 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| MIDI_RouterNode 2 0 0 32 0 00000000304381 ms | MIDI_RouterNode 3 0 0 32 0 00000000304381 ms | MIDI_RouterNode 4 0 0 32 0 00000000304381 ms | MIDI_RouterNode 5 0 0 32 0 00000000304381 ms | MIDI_RouterNode 6 0 0 32 0 00000000304381 ms | MIDI_RouterNode 7 0 0 32 0 00000000304381 ms | MetronomePort 0 00000000304381 ms | MetronomeChannel 10 00000000304381 ms | MetronomeNoteM 37 00000000304381 ms | MetronomeNoteB 37 00000000304381 ms | RemoteMode 0 00000000304381 ms | RemotePort 0 00000000304381 ms | RemoteID 0 00000000304381 ms | done. 00000000387517 ms | 00000000387517 ms | Track Overview: 00000000387517 ms | =============== 00000000387517 ms | | Track | Mode | Layer P/T/I | Steps P/T | Length | Port | Chn. | Muted | 00000000387517 ms | +-------+-------+-------------+-----------+--------+-------+------+-------+ 00000000387518 ms | | G1T1 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 64 | Def. | 5 | no | 00000000387518 ms | | G1T2 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 32 | Def. | 6 | no | 00000000387520 ms | | G1T3 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 32 | Def. | 7 | no | 00000000387520 ms | | G1T4 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 64 | Def. | 8 | no | 00000000387520 ms | | G2T1 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 64 | Def. | 5 | yes | 00000000387520 ms | | G2T2 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 32 | Def. | 6 | yes | 00000000387520 ms | | G2T3 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 32 | Def. | 7 | yes | 00000000387522 ms | | G2T4 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 32 | Def. | 8 | yes | 00000000387522 ms | | G3T1 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 32 | Def. | 9 | no | 00000000387522 ms | | G3T2 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 16 | Def. | 10 | no | 00000000387524 ms | | G3T3 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 16 | Def. | 11 | no | 00000000387524 ms | | G3T4 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 16 | Def. | 12 | no | 00000000387524 ms | | G4T1 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 16 | Def. | 13 | no | 00000000387524 ms | | G4T2 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 16 | Def. | 14 | no | 00000000387524 ms | | G4T3 | Note | 16/ 8/ 1 | 64/ 64 | 16 | Def. | 15 | no | 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| Steps Repeat: 0 (0 times) 00000000543057 ms | Steps Skip: 0 (0 Steps) 00000000543057 ms | Steps Repeat/Skip Interval: 3 (4 Steps) 00000000543058 ms | Clockdivider: 15 (16/384 ppqn) 00000000543058 ms | Triplets: no 00000000543058 ms | Synch-To-Measure: yes 00000000543058 ms | Length: 31 (32 Steps) 00000000543058 ms | Loop: 0 (Step 1) 00000000543058 ms | Transpose Semitones: 0 (+0) 00000000543058 ms | Transpose Octaves: 0 (+0) 00000000543059 ms | Morph Mode: 0 (off) 00000000543059 ms | Morph Destination Range: 0 (1..32) 00000000543059 ms | Humanize Mode: 0 (Note: off, Velocity: off, Length: off) 00000000543059 ms | Humanize Intensity: 0 00000000543059 ms | Groove Style: 0 00000000543059 ms | Groove Intensity: 0 00000000543060 ms | Trigger Assignment Gate: 1 (A) 00000000543060 ms | Trigger Assignment Accent: 2 (B) 00000000543060 ms | Trigger Assignment Roll: 3 (C) 00000000543060 ms | Trigger Assignment Glide: 4 (D) 00000000543060 ms | Trigger Assignment Skip: 5 (E) 00000000543061 ms | 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00000000543064 ms | LFO Extra CC PPQN: 96 00000000543064 ms | Note Limit Lower: 0 00000000543064 ms | Note Limit Upper: 0 00000000543064 ms | Parameter Layer Assignments: 00000000543064 ms | 00000000 01 03 04 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00000000543064 ms | CC Assignments: 00000000543066 ms | 00000000 01 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E ................ 00000000543066 ms | Constant Array C: 00000000543066 ms | 00000000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00000000543066 ms | done.

This ones bigger than what your looking for but not to bad a price. http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/1456RL1.pdf I may try to use this if I can get the cash for cutting the panel out. I did a quick quote with my own materials from schaffer and got like $144 for the cutting and the case is like $45. It just sucks that the whole sequencer cost as musch as the damn case. I'm still curious how much doug will charge when he gets around to it.

I will try to get this done tonight. At work right now 8) As a side note. When I power the seq on the pattern in 1:A1 is the default "c-3 every 4 steps". I have to hit the pattern button to select what I had assigned to 1:A1 last. Just thought I'd mention this. Going off memory I am sure the default "c-3 every 4 steps" pattern at boot will play patterns normally but I will find out later tonight. Thanks again for taking so much time with this. By now I'm hoping its not human error so I won't get whacked with the stupid stick! And back to the fx echo reapeats not working correctly I have not been able to reproduce the lag I was previously talking about. It was probably my usb driver and lag on the pc or something as far as I can tell.

To comment further on my last post. Right now I have a track that is 64/64 steps in length in 16T triplet time and looking at step view it is cycling 1-24. Is this normal and why? I have an external master clock coming from my tr-707 and slaving the MBSEQ. I know on my roland drum machine the old manual tells you if you have a triplet pattern you should set the loop to only 12 steps instead of 16 steps to get a "proper loop". I always kept the roland on 16 steps in triplet time. and put the clap on 5 and 13 like the beastie boys tell me to do so ;) Still confused here.

This is only for the data wheel encoder. I stripped the wire bare, cut it to 2mm and added solder to the bare wire and put solder on the pcb pads and encoder pins.(don't over do the solder on the encoder. If the solder spreads in contact with the encoders base you will get erratic behaviour when you fire the seq up.) I then used my small tweezers to keep the bare tinned wire in place as I soldered it to the pcb pads. After that I took ripped magazine and placed it to cover the previously soldered pcb pads. Then when the pcb pads are covered it is easy to solder the other end of the 2mm wire to the encoder pins with out accidentally hitting the pcb pads (thanks Wilba).

Still having issues with track lengths. I would look into event page and see that 64 steps is what is enabled with 16 par layers and 8 trig layers. Then go to menu + length and change it to 64/64 and then go to my stepview page and still see the track only cycling thru 1-16 and not 1-64. Loop is at one. A Lot of tracks also go thru 18-22 steps one cycle then the normal 16 steps the next time. Like I.E its going 36 steps and never passing the 1-16 mark. what else am i missing?

The part about making them only 2mm long and using bare tinned ribbon wire did the trick with good pair of tweezers.

If your talking about the j headers I placed them on the solder side so cables wont get in the way of control surface. The data encoder goes underneath the pcb and Wilba gave me very good instructions to wire it if you need to know. everything else should be top panel placed I believe.

Thanks TK. I was only using the length function and not the event page setting. As far as the "all" problem, should I reload v3 to verify that this already was occurring? I will scratch my brain but I am no programmer.

Alright still don't understand properly setting the tracks to 64 steps,128 steps ect. I think I found a bug with the "all" function. When I have some notes laid down and I have them set to a low velocity then I add some more notes which are by default much higher, then I use the all function to lower the velocity and it lowers every notes velocity on the track. So far so good. BUT..... the note gates go away and when I try to turn up the velocity I only get it on one step and not "ALL" steps. I was making hit hat vel variations and turned down the velocity a little too much and it makes your tracks drop out without an easy way to turn them back up. I hope i am clearly explaining myself. regards, echo

ooooo :D yes yes yes please elaborate! Can I guess all this is done by selecting your parameter layer with the correct cc on it. as an example take the echo repeat cc and set the steps to value 0 for off and 1 for 1 repeat, 2 for 2 repeats and so on? And then I can even do more cc parameter layers for the echos feedback, velocity, signature ect..?

I didn't even know that was possible. Do you just hold down the mute key and press some gp buttons to mute the layers? I was using the default setting. I'll have to check this out. Too much good stuff. I am wondering if its possible to set the fx parameters for each individual step and not just the whole track in general? I noticed there is a mute fx parameter. Would I just have to fx mute all the steps I don't want the repeat,lfo ect on? My first thought was in the fx page to use the 16 steps to select the step you want to edit and the echo/lfo page will switch between the different step settings as you enable the respective step. Would any one else find this useful? and as far as the slow processing time I will have to get back to you. Maybe it is a usb issue and my pc ;)

Hey TK I know its still beta and am not complaining but hopefully helping by addressing these. For some reason I have had patterns that I want to change the length from 16 to 32 or 64 steps and it won't work. It just keeps cycling 1-16. On one instance I had a pattern play the first 8 steps then play the whole 16 steps then the just the first 8 again and so on and so on in a logical pattern. Did I do this somehow? Also the echo fx would sometimes not work or have a 7-8 second delay before they kick in. It seemed like a processing time loading issue. I am talking about the repeat #. I would try it from 1-15 and not get anything. I noticed when you tap the mute button, the "parameter selection" page flashes on for a quick second. When I was testing V3, regarding the 3 layers gate,vel and length for example I could press the length parameter button and then turn the knobs to get the desired note length but now in v4 I press the length button and get another page of all the parameters and must press an additional button to get there. Is this normal? I'll post what ever I can and I will try to be more detailed. The sequencer kicks major booty if any one wants to know.:) Oh and I was jamming with a friend and when you get to excited you can accidentally hit the clear track button on wilbas panel right below step 7. Can you make it so you have to press the clear button twice to confirm and then clear the track? Hope this info helps.

Got it! Pin 8 on the futurelec board was really pin 7 on the futurelec board.

Also should I just maybe solder the wires directly to the card connector pins to bypass all the extra circuitry on the sd board?

Well I got this one from futurelec http://www.futurlec.com/Mini_SC.shtml I can get the leds to light up on it but the seq v4 with core32 connected to j16 does not find it. I have triple checked the wiring and also tried swapping di and do connectors. Should this matter if its fat32 or nfts?. It does have jumpers on the board and I have tried a few combinations with them but am not sure what they do.Does anybody know what these do? MOSI, SSEL, MISO and SCK. I did all of this testing on fat32. Should I try with nfts? Should I ditch the futurelec board. It looked so cool and simple. Sucks cause I can't use wilba's seq pcb without the sd card hwcfg file :( Regards, echo

I need the data sheet for this good old display and optrex does not have it on its website anymore. please help! Can we doco it on the wiki? Trying to get my core32 hooked up. regards, echo

Yes thank you everybody. Here's me playing on my unfinished mb seq the first day I got it running. Go easy it was my first time messing around with it:) Just doing simple mutes and un-mutes. It was a breeze making patterns but I still need to learn how to save properly as I had something way cooler to show then accidentally rebooted it and lost my pattern that I spent a good 40 min on then made this one in ten min and settled for it. I will do some tutorials when I fully figure the thing out. But so far it rocks any other sequencer I have ever used! Regards, echo

Nice. How soon do you think your ready to roll with these? I am still saving up for my wilba seq panel and case. I would love to get one but have to wait awhile. I really like the single ac adapter. You gotta show us noobs how to make good ps circuits for sid and fm. Is it mesh holes because of internal heat? Do you think the elements would be an issue? Also any chance of you making a BLM PCB for you MB-SEQ build? Would it be a case of just taking your SEQ PCB file and copy and paste x4 the button matrix from that? Can you show us a video demo of your sammich in action? Regards, Echo

Just a couple more questions and i'l be done ;) Last night I finished soldering the pcb and have to say it was very painless and only took a couple hours. Nice job Wilba! My first question is about the data wheel encoder. It gets mounted underneath the pcb correct? If this is correct what is the best way to get the encoder's data pins to the soldering pads on the pcb? Should I just bend the pins straight up on the encoder or solder cut resistor leads to the encoder pins then solder the cut leads to the pcb pads? Next and hopefully last question. Can the j ports by the data wheel be left open or do they need headers and jumpers? Regards, Echo

Quick one about the switches. On the schematic, pins 1 and 2 are the same and pins 3 and 4 are the same correct? On the board you can mount the switches two different ways. How can I tell which way to mount them or does it not matter, either way will work? I took some time off from midi box and just don't want to screw myself cause I am out of practice. ;) Regards, Chris