Smithy Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 I dont think its fair really to add the cost of tools, into the cost of making a sammichSID.I mean youll have those tools for life, which will be useful for a lot of non-MB related stuff,or for simply testing/repairing power supplies around the home, and all sorts of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 FWIW I don't use a vice or helping hands, not for this kind of work... maybe occasionally I'll use the helping hands to hold a phono plug while I solder wires.For flat things like resistors, you can stick them into the PCB, flip it over and solder.For bigger things, I use a method I call "tacking" (it probably has some other name, I don't know)... basically, holding the parts in place with one hand while carrying a blob of solder on the soldering iron tip and wiping it into the joint, thus creating a temporary joint to hold the part in place while soldering the other joints properly, then doing proper joints on the "tacked" joints. This lets me temporarily attach a lot of parts at the same time (i.e. all the IC sockets by tacking their corner pads) and then laying the board flat and doing all the other joints properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futureman Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 ... maybe occasionally I'll use the helping hands to hold a phono plug while I solder wires.I use a D.I Box or a Distortion pedal or anything lying around while soldering jacks or RCA's etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lylehaze Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Helping hands: I have one, and I use it for connectors on wire leads.I grab the connector in the clip, and hold the wire(s) with my left hand while I hold the iron in my right. Tin the wire and connector with solder in advance. Easy connections.Board Vise: I use it a LOT when building up a PCB, but only if it can hold the board by the edges.(The jaws have V-grooves for that)Once the board is in, I am usually grabbing for the big locking handle at the bottom, to flip the board up or over, re-position it for stuffing or soldering or a visual inspection. Especially with skinny boards like the mixer V2, it just makes life easier to keep it in the vise most of the time. I find that holding the board vertical gets a lot of use, I can stuff and solder easily without anything falling out.It's all about personal preferences. We all have different habits and tricks we have learned along the way..I'll never forget the first time I saw someone remove all the chips from a board using just a propane torch. Heat the entire backside of the board at once, then slam it into the edge of the table and watch the chips fly off.. I thought he was crazy, but it did work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Thank you all for you input, Maybe a board holder is better hand helping hands. I just gotta hope Wilba will make enough kits eventually so I can give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIDIshark Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "I'll never forget the first time I saw someone remove all the chips from a board using just a propane torch. Heat the entire backside of the board at once, then slam it into the edge of the table and watch the chips fly off.. I thought he was crazy, but it did work!"Crazy guy!!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Just out of curiousity. Is this the first and only full kit for any midibox project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seppoman Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 full kit - yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 No one has been crazy enough before now. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 No one has been crazy enough before now. :oI see what you mean. A full kit attracts a whole lot more newbies which will give you a lot more questions to answer ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I was actually referring to the amount of planning, purchasing, packing and organizing of orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I was actually referring to the amount of planning, purchasing, packing and organizing of orders.I guess that will be some work, but perhaps nothing compared to the endless stream of silly questions from all the newbies :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00dawg Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Well, the n00b questions can be handled by the forums, ucapps.de, and the wiki so I don't think it would be as bad as you might think.Now constantly telling people how to use the forums, ucapps and the wiki? Well, some of the admins have turned that into quite a refined art :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nILS Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Well, the n00b questions can be handled by the forums, ucapps.de, and the wiki so I don't think it would be as bad as you might think.lol. You have no idea how far off you are. What's happening on the forum is a fraction of what's really being asked. Email is such an awesome thing at times ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00dawg Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Haha ouch that kinda sucks :) Well, huge thanks for the people that do help us all out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofprent Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I'm in for two of these... my iPod won't send my preorder mail ATM so I'll request here too. many thanks and big props for what is a huge undertaking... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingosimon Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Olorin: You'll be fine! I was pretty close to a complete electronics n00b when I started my core with stereo SID pair a few months ago. I read this site a bunch on my free time, asked questions on the forum and from my friends, and now I have a minimal stereo setup! I'm also completely obsessed, and am hoarding SIDs with plans to build two MB-6582, a sammichSID, and as many other things as I find SID chips for! Let me know if you need any help.On topic: I'm excited about the Sammich! I'm still in the preorder stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vespine Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 hello sorry if this question has been answered, i have been looking at the sammich for a few weeks now and I still can't work it out, can you still use the MIDIbox SID V2 SysEx Editor with the sammich?Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 hello sorry if this question has been answered, i have been looking at the sammich for a few weeks now and I still can't work it out, can you still use the MIDIbox SID V2 SysEx Editor with the sammich?Thanks.Yes. The sammichSID is the exact same as a Midibox SID, with 2 sid chips in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShad0w Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I pre-ordered mine today :D I can't wait to connect it to my other gear! :D Edited October 23, 2009 by DaShad0w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rave Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Pre-ordered mine today! "EXCITED" Rave :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinyljunkie Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 great tool. can i add some more buttons or encoders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00dawg Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 great tool. can i add some more buttons or encoders? Kinda defeats the purpose though don't you think? Sounds like you might be better off with an MB-6582, optionally with your own control surface? Wilba designed the sammichSID as a no-frills, easy to build synth in a small package. As a result, though I could be wrong, I don't think it's expandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilba Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I try not to rule anything out... like people wanting to use the PCBs in their own case design and adding more buttons, encoders, LEDs, etc. Therefore, header J2 on the control surface PCB can connect to additional DIN/DOUT modules (or shift registers on another PCB with control surface components). However, that's totally left as an exercise for the end user - they would have to design a compatible case, make it themselves, do all the extra wiring, deal with the now sub-optimal PSU/heatsinks placement (assuming you extend to the right), deal with the "optimized" long male header/female header connection between the PCBs (which suits "plug-in" but doesn't suit ribbon cable/IDC connectors), etc. In short, sammichSID is not designed to be extended, and it's a lot of work, more work than just buying an MB-6582 base PCB and building your own custom control surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puddingbrumsel Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 # Potential for future upgrade to MIDIbox SID Synthesizer V3 using add-on board What does this mean ?? What kind of upgrade-board? Back to sammich -> is the midi-out port midi-thru-able ? Or do i have to put the sammich at the end of my midi-chain because of no midi-thru-function? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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